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Inside BAM · The owners’ Slack · November 3, 2026

An owner holding 7,000 retired LEGO sets offered other BAM owners $20,000 and $30,000 lots. One owner called it “predatory,” and Ammon McNeff’s “rising tide” a “big ship rams smaller ships” philosophy.

The owner says he pays 65 to 75% for collections and is adding 3,500 sets in November. BAM’s own manual tells stores to offer about 30% in cash or up to 50% in credit for a used set, and an owner wrote that retired sets “should be priced at 40 to 60% of value not 60 to 80%.” A breakdown from BAM’s Success Matrix, posted by an owner, shows why the margin matters: 14.1% of every sale goes to fees before the item is paid for, so a $100 sale of an $80 set leaves $5.90. One owner proposed that Shane Olsen, BAM’s Vice President of Operations, coordinate the buys. Another wrote that the only reason more stores do not do this “is because we agreed to play nice with each other.”

PRIMARY SOURCEPosts and two threads in the #forum_sales-and-deals channel of BAM’s Slack and a thread in #forum_operations, October 31 to November 3, 2026, reconstructed below with owner identities, store locations and exact times withheld; a Success Matrix breakdown as an owner posted it; BAM’s operations manual.

CONFIRMEDThe manual’s buying guideline is credit up to 50% and cash around 30% of what a used set sells for in the store, and it tells owners new-in-box sets “are NOT our core business” (as reported). The breakdown’s 6% royalty and 1% national marketing fee are the FDD’s, Item 6 (as reported). The disclosure document says a territory is not exclusive and governs where a store may sell and advertise, not where it may buy (Item 12).

AS STATEDThe 7,000 sets, the 65 to 75% and the margins are the selling owner’s own figures. “Rising tide” at BAMCon is one owner’s account of what Ammon McNeff said.

The offer

# forum_sales-and-deals BAM Slack
An owner store owner
Retired LEGO sets for sale - bulk lots
• Lot 1 (from $20,000): 250+ retired sets, including lots of Star Wars, some Ninjago, Harry Potter and more
• Lot 2 ($30,000): 75 retired Star Wars sets (including UCS), 15 good Ninjago sets, plus others
Serious buyers only. DM me for lists, photos and details.
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4 replies
A second owner store owner
I could use an influx of retired! What discount are you offering off retail for your fellow BAM owners?
The first owner store owner
20% I’m paying between 65 and 75% I buy large collections and usually the sellers are collectors and investors and a lot of the lots I buy have lots of Star Wars which sell really fast which makes up for the lower margin. If you run a health report you will see that my margin is about 35% taking into account the higher margin items like mini figures and used sets. My margin on retired sets is around 25%. I’m sitting on 7000 retired sets and I’m picking up another 3500 this month so I’m looking to move some of the sets I currently own please send me your email and I will forward you the list of items available
A third owner store owner
Seems like this behavior at this volume will just upset the market and make it harder for everyone to make a buck, but you do you, I guess. Don’t come in my territories and buy stuff. 🤷‍♂️
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Also sent to the channel
A fourth owner store owner
At 20% margins, owners are going to be better off looking for other avenues of revenue. Are you paying to ship these to us? If not, then there is not going to be any margin. To be clear to everyone I went through the list, with a serious intent to open the check book, who doesn’t want a large collection retired stuff, but the valuations here don’t line up for me, or how most the stores are trained to price items. Like [another owner] said that could really mess up a market.
I am including this graphic from the Success Matrix so others can understand, making roughly $5 on every $100 sold at 20% margin requires a lot of volume, and a lot of product to move fast to get the capital back. For some that is worth the risk, for many it would be better to focus on more profitable lines to make money. It’s a big ask and this isn’t even including the shipping, which isn’t clear.
Lastly, I do want to thank you for the opportunity. We don’t usually see things like this from other owners.
In the future, if you’re coming to [our region], I am sure many of us would collaborate with you on large collection buys up front so we can get some more margin, and you will still probably get the lion’s share of the sets and then we all benefit. We are always willing to work with other owners up front, it just makes it easier on all of us.
Reconstructed from a thread in the #forum_sales-and-deals channel, October 31 to November 3, 2026. Owner identities, store locations and exact times withheld. The selling owner is the first owner throughout.

What a dollar pays

The fourth owner posted the company’s own arithmetic: a graphic, in the owner’s words, “from the Success Matrix.” That is the scorecard BAM’s technology director told the Q3 town hall the company was “currently beta testing,” the one the convention “is centered around” (as reported); BAMCon’s own FAQ describes it as “built directly into Patron,” the point-of-sale system (as reported). It takes a retail price and a cost and returns what is left after the fees every store pays BAM and its processors. The owner ran it for a $100 sale of a set that cost $80.

Retail $100, cost $80RateAmount
Royalty6%$6.00
Average Reward Contribution4.4%$4.40
Average CC Fee2.2%$2.20
National Marketing1%$1.00
Selling Supplies0.5%$0.50
Total fees14.1%$14.10
Item cost$80.00
Net profit5.9%$5.90

The Success Matrix breakdown as an owner posted it to the channel, with the owner’s inputs: a $100 sale of an item that cost $80. The royalty and the national marketing line are the disclosure document’s 6% and 1% (Item 6) and appear in BAM’s own books; the other three are the tool’s own figures, two of them labeled as averages.

The fees are paid on the sale, whatever the set cost. At the discount offered, “making roughly $5 on every $100 sold,” in the fourth owner’s words, “requires a lot of volume.” On the other side of the same fees, BAM’s own books show the royalties and charges its franchisees pay were 95.7 percent of its gross profit in the first five months of 2026, and its wholesale store selling to those franchisees was its biggest source of income (as reported). The disclosure document puts the average franchise store at $507,684 in revenue for 2025, a median of $467,539, down two years running (as reported).

Two of the five lines are BAM’s own programs. The 1% national marketing fee is due every month whatever the store sold, and the fund has spent every dollar it collected three years in a row (as reported). The 4.4% line is labeled “Average Reward Contribution.” BAM’s rewards program is the one whose legacy pilot stores, the Q3 town hall was told, were “more heavily impacted… maybe not to the extent it was” expected (as reported).

The manual

The ninth owner wrote that the selling owner is “buying from our territories at a higher cost than what the Franchise manuals tell us.” This is what the manual tells them.

With rare exception, the highest amount of store credit we typically recommend giving for a used set would be 50% of what it could be sold for in-store. Cash offers are around 30% of our in-store sales value. While these percentages may vary for any given transaction, they are a good guideline to follow. Always remember that you take more risk whenever you pay out cash than if you give out store credit!

BAM Operations Manual, §15.3, Purchasing Used Sets from CustomersPRIMARY SOURCE

Always keep the following in mind: new in box (NIB) sets are NOT our core business! Recall the iceberg analogy: only the tip of the iceberg represents NIB sets; the remaining 90% comprises our four points of differentiation. As such, a majority of your effort in merchandising your store should be focused on buying and selling used sets, Bulk, minifigs, and retired NIB sets.

New in Box sets will ALWAYS be our lowest-margin department in our stores.

BAM Operations Manual, §15.2, Purchasing New In Box Sets (Outside Sources)PRIMARY SOURCE

The sixth owner put the retired-set number at “40 to 60% of value not 60 to 80%.” The eighth wrote: “We sometimes go to 60% on NIB SW, but rarely on anything else.” The selling owner pays 65 to 75 and sells at 20% off. The margin between those figures is what the thread is about.

Predatory

# forum_sales-and-deals BAM Slack
A fifth owner store owner
Owners: What [the first owner] has done is truly an amazing thing, it’s not easy, it takes time, capital and smarts and we need as much of this as we can get our hands on. To add to what [the fourth owner] said, this only works if you think of it like FISHING: We have to be smart, careful and profit driven owners.
The big flashing retired set is the worm. Owners don’t make money on worms. Owners make money on the new fishing rod, line, tackle box and supplies the fisherman needs as well.
If you only sell them greatest worms they came in for, they’ll probably always come in to get the worms, but may never buy all the other things they need to fish.
A simple example
You sell a great set for close to what you paid for it, you make a few $$ on it, but what did it cost you to buy.
• If Customers only buy the set: You made pennies. You worked for free.
• If Customers buy the toy plus a Refillable Bulk Tub: You made money, and every time they come back for that flashy set, they buy other things that make it worth it, that they may not have come in for otherwise.
The set just gets them in the door. The money comes from the other stuff they buy.
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The first owner store owner
God finally someone that understands the concept of you can’t sell what you don’t have. I agree a lot of times they will buy the sets and end up walking out with minifigs, minifigs stands and base plates. The idea of how I operate is to try and keep people coming back. When collections come in for the retired sets they will keep coming back to see what else you brought in. I have found that they are willing to pay more for the sets that they want. You have to love people who what stuff right away vs wanting to get them days later in the mail. A lot of the responses I get are that at the end of the day when they buy on eBay they really don’t know what to expect. I’m willing to pay for a portion of the shipping if it helps have a great day
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The fifth owner store owner
[the first owner]
I think it is important for me to add, because I am absolutely an advocate for owners and a profit first business.
My main point is this, more solutions, lead to more options, lead to the right solutions and options emerging that can fundamentally change the system and help us all.
I want to create a safe space for ideas. Do I agree with pricing and potential in every market, no. Would I myself purchase, no, but I would partner.
This might be the job for @Shane Olsen - Vice President of Operations and the ops team, coordinating buys in regions with the support and connections created by what [the first owner] does.
[The first owner] gets some capital share and product for their location to compensate them for the great work they’re doing and the regions or communities the product is coming from have the opportunity to buy before it heads back to [the first owner’s state].
I’m just spitballing and saying in more words than is needed. Solutions solve problems and provide ideas, I wish we had more ideas focused on building profitability, better margins and more unique shopping experiences to solve the headwinds many of us face.
A sixth owner store owner
While I’m glad and happy of what [the first owner] can do this and remain profitable most store cannot follow this model. This will set a negative precedent for all other stores that will now have to compete against this model and loose any margins on RNIB items now. Typically RNIB items should be priced at 40 to 60% of value not 60 to 80% to have an sustainable business model.
We cannot rely solely on selling bulk and minfigs to have a profitable business model.
But I maybe wrong in this. 🤷‍♂️
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Reconstructed from the #forum_sales-and-deals channel, November 3, 2026. Owner identities, store locations and exact times withheld.
# forum_sales-and-deals BAM Slack
The sixth owner store owner
While I’m glad and happy of what [the first owner] can do this and remain profitable most store cannot follow this model. This will set a negative precedent for all other stores that will now have to compete against this model and loose any margins on RNIB items now. Typically RNIB items should be priced at 40 to 60% of value not 60 to 80% to have an sustainable business model.
We cannot rely solely on selling bulk and minfigs to have a profitable business model.
But I maybe wrong in this. 🤷‍♂️
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A seventh owner store owner
When you say priced, are you referring to pay out? Or what you actually price the set at?
The sixth owner store owner
Pay out. And if your pricing high to cover that margin then that can cost you money in less sales then pricing at market values.
The seventh owner store owner
Just clarifying. We all have terms for different things and I was just making sure I was understanding what you were saying
An eighth owner store owner
I think the issue is that if [the first owner] wants to offer us his products, then he has the right to make some money on it as well. I’m sure he buys them at a lower cost, but it would not make sense for him to sell at his costs.
A ninth owner store owner
What [the first owner] is doing is buying from our territories at a higher cost than what the Franchise manuals tell us, and then selling us back at an an unprofitable margin. . [The first owner] is essentially using their access to capital to run at lower margins until we run out of business
That’s predatory.
The eighth owner store owner
Unless you know the numbers for sure, that is assumptive.
The ninth owner store owner
The numbers are posted in this forum. [The first owner] is paying 60%-70%
The fourth owner store owner
Yeah, and if you look at the sheets, you can see the numbers don’t align with what the majority of owners have been taught, and its counter intuitive, I agree that [the first owner] or anyone who can source should get a cut, I think that it should be done up front, and people in a region can split those buys. As well, when you are selling me something that I have to resell, you don’t get to dictate what I need to sell it for.
Do you let your trade in customers tell you, “well you can sell this at $1000 Ebay Active listings, so you can pay $800, or do you say, well, know, in my region we can sell that for $800, so I can only pay $560” for example.
The sixth owner store owner
[the eighth owner] I just want to tell you my issue is NOT SELLING to other stores but the prices they are buying at.
Let break it down for you.
I come into your area and start buying Lego sets for an higher percentage than you and word spread throughout your territory that I’m paying more than you. Who are those people going to sell to?
That’s the negative side to this.
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The eighth owner store owner
I get it. We sometimes go to 60% on NIB SW, but rarely on anything else.
The sixth owner store owner
Exactly so how can our brand that already get almost 0% profit on NIB supposed to now be able to survive on 0% profit on RNIB.
Again I’m not bashing anyone’s business model for their store, I’m showing that how that can effect other stores profitability
The eighth owner store owner
It’s an option. I look at it like NIB from corporate that they’ve found somewhere. It’s not always a good deal, but it’s an option for some stores. It doesn’t fit my model or yours, but a few stores may actually have the traffic and space to take advantage of it. I appreciate the opportunity. But I’ll pass. There is so much LEGO out there, none of us has touched the tip of the iceberg. Other options will come and corporate is always looking for more options. Meanwhile, I’ll just keep buying locally and take care of my store.
The sixth owner store owner
Agreed and to expand on what [the fourth owner] Said that if they get an opportunity in or near your territory that it’s a shared event not just a one sided deal, but the world isn’t perfect.
The ninth owner store owner
Using higher capital to undermine other stores in the franchise is predatory. It’s hurting other franchisees in the territory that [the first owner] is buying from
You can always say “Oh it’s just the way they are doing business. They have access to capital. More power to them”. Well, they are not the only store with capital. The only reason why more stores aren’t doing this is because we agreed to play nice with each other. This essentially starts a free for all, race to the bottom that hurts everyone who doesn’t have access to capital.
This franchise promised us rising tide raises all ships . @Ammon McNeff - CEO stood at BAMCon and claimed that expansion is beneficial because of rising tide. This literally is the opposite of rising tides. It’s big ship rams smaller ships philosophy.
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Reconstructed from the thread under the sixth owner’s post, #forum_sales-and-deals, November 3, 2026. Owner identities, store locations and exact times withheld.

The ninth owner’s last line describes the company’s expansion pitch as the owner heard it. The pitch itself is on this site: its development chief pitched 700 million-dollar stores; the Q3 town hall described a “structured system” moving stores from owner to owner and the Success Matrix the fourth owner’s numbers came from; BAMCon put sessions on it on its agenda. The owners in this thread describe the tide from inside it: a store with capital buys the supply in other stores’ territories at a price above the norm the owners state, and the stores without capital are asked to buy it back.

BAM’s own tables count the tide in outlets: 82 franchised stores at the end of 2023, 154 at the end of 2024 and 217 at the end of 2025, with 70 agreements signed for stores not yet open and 83 more openings projected for 2026 (2026 FDD, Item 20, Tables 1 and 5). What a territory protects is narrower than the owners’ word for it. “You will not receive an exclusive Territory,” the same document says. “You may face competition from other franchisees, from outlets that we own, or from other channels of distribution, or competitive brands that we control.” The territory governs where a store may solicit and advertise; the manual’s rule is “Targeted marketing in other franchisees’ areas is prohibited” (§18.4). Neither document says where a franchisee may buy. What is left is the restraint the ninth owner wrote down: that the owners “agreed to play nice with each other.”

Cannibalization

In the other channel the same morning, the thread about the company’s growth statistic turned to why the numbers differ from store to store. The answer the owners gave was territory.

# forum_operations BAM Slack
The eighth owner store owner
As a store that sells to other stores, our sales to the other stores are deducted from our totals. So those totals do not include wholesale sales to each other. And as most of us will attest, there is very little profit in what we sell to other stores. We do it mostly to help other stores, not for the big profit dollars
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A tenth owner store owner
Yea [another owner] said that, I was commenting that as a whole the data being used to present a healthy system when there seems to a be lot of nuance and details pointing to the opposite was my issue. I mentioned in another thread an example of [a state] and that I’ve talked to many owners as I decide what I want to do and as a whole, most are either losing money or severely underpaid
The key factor in all cases those is territory, I think some territories are just inherently good and some are bad/oversaturated which is why I think statewide data isn’t that useful
The eighth owner store owner
You are correct. Some regions have done much better than others. I don’t know what to attribute that to, though.
The tenth owner store owner
It’s the territory and saturation, there was an analysis on these threads about it, if a territory has x number of stores or more they tend to struggle, also factoring in competition. Under the x amount they do better. That’s a simplification of course but a major part of it
I also paid a guy to analyze the territories [in my area] and he had similar conclusions. Though there was a lot more info eg population, income levels, education levels, but it basically came down to the fact that this industry is very prone to cannibalization
The tenth owner store owner
But at the heart of it, to me, and why you get pushback when there’s things like “sales up a bunch” or something like that is that, like I said, most stores aren’t profiting and seeing things like that makes them feel like they are doing something wrong. Which they could be but also there’s a lot out of their control and feeling that way can produce a reaction
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Reconstructed from the thread under the eighth owner’s post in #forum_operations, November 3, 2026: the first four of its six replies. Owner identities, store locations and exact times withheld.

The fifth owner’s proposal was that corporate run the buys: “This might be the job for Shane Olsen, Vice President of Operations, and the ops team.” Olsen joined BAM as Vice President of Operations in October 2025; in 2020 he was a paralegal at Anderson Business Advisors, after seven years as head of fulfillment at Legally Mine, the asset-protection seminar company (the cast). In the replies reconstructed here, no officer has responded as of the publication of this update.

How it got here

October 31
The offer
Two lots of retired sets, “from $20,000” and “$30,000,” posted to the owners’ channel.
November 2
“20%”
The discount, the 65 to 75% he pays, the 7,000 sets. “Don’t come in my territories and buy stuff.”
November 3
“Predatory”
Fourteen replies. The Success Matrix numbers. “Big ship rams smaller ships.”
November 3
The same morning
In another channel, owners answer the company’s claim of “positive growth” at 82% of its reporting stores, as reported.
November 4
Part 4
Reckless Ben’s fourth video premieres in Los Angeles.

The fair reading, and its limit. The lots are a lawful offer between independent businesses, two owners thanked the seller for it, and one called it “an option” he would pass on. The selling owner’s margins and volumes are his own figures. “Predatory” and “big ship rams smaller ships” are one owner’s words, and the manual’s percentages are guidelines it says “may vary,” written for used sets; the same manual lists retired sets among the things a store should focus on buying and selling. The breakdown uses averages, and a store’s own fees will differ. What the thread establishes is narrower than the words: inside BAM’s system, buying prices are set by whoever has the capital, the manual’s guideline does not bind, and the only restraint the owners could name is that they “agreed to play nice with each other.” The right of reply is open to BAM, Ammon McNeff, Shane Olsen and the selling owner.

The record

The 82% thread. The corporate store. Item 19. The buying calculator. The manual’s buying guideline. 700 million-dollar stores. The structured system. BAMCon. The cast. Part 4.

Sources. The #forum_sales-and-deals and #forum_operations channels of BAM’s Slack workspace, October 31 to November 3, 2026, as the owners typed it, with owner identities, store locations and clock times withheld; a Success Matrix breakdown as an owner posted it to the channel; BAM Operations Manual, version 10.6.24, purchasing, pricing and marketing sections; BAM’s 2026 Franchise Disclosure Document, Items 6, 12, 19 and 20; this site’s earlier reporting as linked.

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